Episode 12

A chat with Chief Jocko

Published on: 25th August, 2022

My guest today is Chief Jocko, Chief of the Algonquins of Pikwakanagan First Nation in Ontario.  Our conversation will challenge your preconceived ideas of an Indigenous Chief. When you think of an Indigenous Chief what comes to mind?  You may assume the Chief is male, although more and more women are being elected as Chiefs these days.  Next, you may think she might be legally trained. But you’d be wrong on both accounts. 

Chief Jocko breaks stereotypes. She has had many professions, from dog walker on the reserve, to Scottish funeral director! She is also a retired soldier. All her experiences have led her to hold an important position as leader of her community at a critical point in their history.


I invite you to listen to our conversation. You’re going to want to grab a cup of coffee and stay for the entire hour.


I decided to interview Chief Jocko after I investigated her unique background. What an extraordinary person!

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About the Podcast

Empathetic Witness
Rethinking addictions
The podcast is a personal invitation to a conversation on addictions.

The format is one of compassionate Inquiry. Compassionate inquiry is a psychotherapeutic approach developed by Dr. Gabor Maté, a Canadian physician who specializes in trauma and addictions.

Who is the target audience?

A person who struggles with addictions, or who knows someone who battles with drugs, alcohol, eating, shopping, over working, pornography, even iPhone, usage, how to curb your addiction, how to manage your addiction, and how to get rid of it completely. Also, someone who works in the field of addictions.

In this podcast you will hear important new perspective on addictions. I will give you content that will keep you interested and coming back for more. We will interview experts, reveal stories and success in addictions. We will give you tips to handle your addiction or to address the addictions of others. I invite you to listen to the podcast Empathetic Witness.

Do you sometimes unintentionally overhear other people's conversations?

We designed the podcasts like we are eavesdropping on a private conversation. It is unassuming, but direct. The interviewer’s questions anticipate what you, the listener may want expanded and clarified. We delve deeply into different types of addictions, alcohol, work, smoking, eating, shopping, sex, etc. the guests are selected for their expertise and reputation on the subject of addiction.

Your host is Angelina Pratt… over 25 years experience on addictions.

The first episode looks at the impact of colonization on how we view addictions, by the language we use, our attitudes, and our behavior. Once we can understand how colonization has impacted our Indigenous worldview, we can look at addictions more effectively. It is a journey. A healing journey that begins within a conversation, and we can begin the process of decolonizing.

The podcasts future episodes will explore how trauma impacts and creates addiction.

Some of the subjects we will be discussing are;

• What is addiction
• Residential School
• 60s scoop
• Adult children of alcoholics
• Adoption
• Abandonment
• Survivor's Guilt
• Child Welfare
• Harm Reduction
• Judicial system
• Loss of culture and language
• Global Pandemic 2020
• Solutions to addiction

About your host

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